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# Org: Disable Gnus Loading when Org is Loaded
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2023-06-08 Thu
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When I load a org file, eww and gnus are also loaded, eww is fine, but gnus is HUGE and will cause lag. I got the solution in #emacs irc:
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the variable `org-modules`
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(but don't put ol-eww, because eww will also load gnus)
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```
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<dongdigua> I configured org eww gnus with use-package, all :defer t [09:24]
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<dongdigua> but when I load an org file, it will also load eww and gnus, why?
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...
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<dongdigua> and if I don't configure gnus with use-package, it will not load
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<parsnip> oh, Gnus, hmm
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...
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<habamax> dongdigua: it looks like you have quite a fancy setup. One should do
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some extra to make it happen
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<olivermead> dongdigua: may you please elaborate? maybe send us a paste of the
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relevant config
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<olivermead> ,paste
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<dongdigua> olivermead habamax: https://bpa.st/ZKDJA [10:17]
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<emacsman> guys go sleep
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<acdw> no u
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<olivermead> dongdigua: my apologies but emacsman is right, I must sleep
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<emacsman> :)
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<dongdigua> ok [10:19]
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<parsnip> dongdigua: i might have some ideas, but they'll be tedious, not
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clever, and i probably won't be testing this myself [10:34]
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<parsnip> basically ideas about how to methodically try to isolate the issue
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<dongdigua> ? [10:36]
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<parsnip> i don't know what a question mark means here. [10:37]
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<parsnip> ,? [10:38]
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<fsbot> To invoke fsbot, type fsbot: <command> or , <command>
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<parsnip> ,why
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<fsbot> why not?
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<parsnip> ,huh
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<fsbot> try: Nyuhuhuu shuhari
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<dongdigua> parsnip: I mean, what is your idea? [10:41]
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<parsnip> it's a long one, not all known ahead of time, and potentially
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fruitless. let me know at any point if you'd rather not [10:42]
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<parsnip> i guess for starters, are you using any kit, like spacemacs, doom,
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nix, guix, lambda, etc
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<dongdigua> vanilla emacs 29
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<parsnip> okay, and are you using irc from the one emacs? [10:44]
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<parsnip> looks like erc
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<dongdigua> yes
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<parsnip> so you can still troubleshoot this by opening a second emacs, and
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you don't have to exit irc, right? [10:45]
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<dongdigua> y
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<parsnip> okay, so are you able to easily reproduce this issue every time you
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start emacs?
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<parsnip> like in just a few steps or w/e?
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<dongdigua> just visit an org document and loog at *Messages*
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<dongdigua> I just found another thing: seems eww loads gnus, and org loads
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eww [10:47]
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<parsnip> okay. how about if you copy your init file to like, /tmp/testing/,
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and then do `export HOME=/tmp/testing`, and start emacs from that
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session?
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<parsnip> okay, maybe you'll solve your issue before any of my tedious
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isolating is needed
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<dongdigua> parsnip: I have no idea
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<parsnip> so that last sentence has about as much information as your earlier
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"?" [10:53]
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<parsnip> try to communicate more [10:54]
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<dongdigua> sorry [10:58]
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<dongdigua> if I only comment out gnus section in the config provided before,
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org and eww wont load gnus,
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<dongdigua> if only comment out eww, org won't load eww but load gnus [10:59]
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<dongdigua> so it's not org -> eww -> gnus, org can still directly load gnus
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<user363628> dongdigua: this is your configuration? https://bpa.st/ZKDJA
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<dongdigua> yes, org eww gnus fragment, not the whole one [11:05]
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<user363628> dongdigua: if so, what happens when you remove my/orgurl? [11:06]
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<user363628> also, have you tried doing a binary search like manual bisect on
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this? that's an effective way to narrow down on the root cause
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<dongdigua> user363628: remove my/orgurl don't work [11:07]
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<user363628> what do you mean "don't work"? [11:08]
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...
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<dongdigua> still load eww and gnus when org is loaded, which I don't want
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<lockywolf> dongdigua: why would you care if eww and gnus are loaded?
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<user363628> dongdigua: assuming you're not using emacsclient and are using
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different sessions my only recommendation is to bisect - keep
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removing ~50% of sections till problem doesn't present, then
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backtrack etc [11:10]
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<parsnip> ,bisect [11:11]
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<fsbot> parsnip: bisect is [0] If you can reproduce your issue reliably in a
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new emacs, try bisecting your user-init-file
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<fsbot> [1] Comment out lower half of your init file and try to reproduce the
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issue. Recurse as needed.
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<fsbot> [2] Use M-; to comment or uncomment selected region
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<fsbot> [3] See also ,keep-one-open
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<user363628> ,parsnip++
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<fsbot> Noted, user363628. One fsbot-point for parsnip!
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<parsnip> user363628: i feel like mre might be sooner useful here [11:12]
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<user363628> possibly
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<dongdigua> lockywolf: I just don't want the lag when I'm just opening a
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single org file, org should be just org, don't need to something
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else
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<parsnip> i tried to start walking them through it, but they seemed to lose
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interest, or generally showed not much care for communicating well
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<lockywolf> dongdigua: load it on emacs start
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<lockywolf> dongdigua: you are using emacsclient, don't you? [11:13]
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<lockywolf> *aren't you
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<dongdigua> no, just emacs
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<user363628> ,mre [11:16]
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<fsbot> MRE is help US to help YOU
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<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimal_reproducible_example>
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<various-mre-approaches-in-emacs>
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<parsnip> ,various-mre-approaches-in-emacs [11:17]
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<fsbot> various-mre-approaches-in-emacs: [0] DRAFT: try `mkdir /tmp/test;
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...
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<parsnip> dongdigua: your report probably has too many lines of code in it for
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it to really be a good report [11:18]
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<parsnip> also, it would be nice if you can reproduce the issue without
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use-package, as use-package is not yet on emacs stable, iiuc [11:19]
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<parsnip> just keep removing lines from your config, until you've got the
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fewest number of lines possible [11:20]
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<dongdigua> you mean, with-eval-after-load ?
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<dongdigua> without use-package
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<parsnip> sure, but you can defer that till later if you want. if you can cut
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down the number of lines while still using use-package, that should
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help
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<parsnip> i would say priority is, just get the number of lines of code to
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like under 10 or so, it looks like you have a lot of unnecessary
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code for a report [11:21]
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<user363628> and number of lines above means in the entire init file that is
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able to reproduce the error
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<parsnip> take "mre" seriously
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<parsnip> you can get a dozen people in here looking at your report, no need
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to have them all reading unnecessary code [11:22]
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<lockywolf> dongdigua: user emacsclient, it's your best bet [11:23]
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<dongdigua> just one line in .emacs: [11:30]
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<dongdigua> (with-eval-after-load 'gnus (message "1"))
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<dongdigua> and gnus will also load when org document is loaded
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<habamax> new gnupg 2.4.2 is out and emacs + save encrypted file issue is
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still not fixed. I hope fedora wouldn't push an update for the
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package till it is resolved [11:33]
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<dongdigua> oh in the beginning I got the message that gnus is loaded by (setq
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use-package-verbose t)
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<dongdigua> so I won't know if gnus is loaded if use-package is commented out
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<parsnip> dongdigua: is the org file minimal too? [11:35]
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<dongdigua> yes
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<dongdigua> so it seems that org loading eww and gnus is work as intended?
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<parsnip> okay, so do you have an mre now? or are you still working on
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isolating the behavior?
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<parsnip> you can check (featurep 'gnus) [11:37]
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<parsnip> if i start a new emacs and open an org file, (featurep 'gnus)
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returns nil
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<dongdigua> .emacs: (with-eval-after-load 'gnus (message "1"))
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(with-eval-after-load 'eww (message "2")) and open a .org file,
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got 1 and 2 [11:38]
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<dongdigua> habamax: what is the issue [11:39]
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<habamax> can't save encrypted buffer, that is the issue :)
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<habamax> as for yours, have you checked what org does?
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<parsnip> dongdigua: huh, that's weird
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<habamax> (eval-when-compile (require 'gnus-sum))
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<habamax> and "Modules that should always be loaded together with org.el...
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<habamax> include ol-eww
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<habamax> and ol-gnus
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<parsnip> ah, empty config will do it too
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<parsnip> weird, so -Q does not [11:42]
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<parsnip> emacs foo.org reproduces with empty config. emacs -q foo.org does
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not
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<habamax> you can play with org-modules I think
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<dongdigua> oh thanks
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<parsnip> hmm, no
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<parsnip> emacs -Q -nw /tmp/test/foo.org -eval "(message \"%S\" (featurep
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'gnus))"
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<parsnip> t
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<parsnip> okay, it always does
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<dongdigua> parship: me too
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<habamax> it is in org-modules
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<parsnip> i somehow confused myself by not keeping mental track of what i was
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doing
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<dongdigua> habamax: that's the point!! [11:49]
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<habamax> (setq org-modules nil) <-- will it help?
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<dongdigua> yes
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<dongdigua> thank you!
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<habamax> yw
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<dongdigua> I'll probably put this conversation log on my blog [11:55]
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<parsnip> dongdigua: well... no public logging. can you edit out my goof up
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above? [11:56]
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<dongdigua> I'll just keep fragments useful to the final result [11:58]
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! You have left channel #emacs
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